Planning Applications Reference:17/04254/FUL

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Type of Application:Full Application
Status:Pending Consideration
Address of Proposal:3 - 4 Bath Street, City Centre, Bath, Bath And North East Somerset, BA1 1SB
Ward:Abbey
Proposal:Change of use of lower ground floor, ground floor and first floor from Restaurant (use class A3) to Gymnasium (Use Class D2) and Cafe (Use Class A3) with associated works.
Planning Portal Reference Number:PP-06350130
Applicant Name:FLY Fitness
Agent Name:LPC (Trull) Ltd
Agent Address:Trull, Tetbury, Gloucestershire, GL8 8SQ
Case Officer Name:Samantha Mason
Date Application Received:04/09/2017
Date Application Validated:07/09/2017
Neighbourhood Consultations sent on:08/09/2017
Standard Consultations sent on:07/11/2017
Last advertised on:14/09/2017
Expiry Date for Consultation :05/10/2017
Target Decision Date15/12/2017

Documents

ConstraintsAgric Land Class 3b,4,5, Article 4 Bath Demolition Wall, Article 4 HMO, Article 4 Reg 7: Estate Agent, Conservation Area, Listed Building, MOD Safeguarded Areas, Policy B2 Central Area Strategic Policy, Policy B4 WHS - Boundary, Policy B4 WHS - Indicative Extent, Policy CP12 Bath City Centre Boundary, Policy CP9 Affordable Housing Zones, Policy CR3 Primary Shopping Areas, SSSI - Impact Risk Zones
Related Property:3 Bath Street,City Centre,Bath,BA1 1SB.
Related Property:Flat 1,3 Bath Street,City Centre,Bath,BA1 1SB.
Related Property:Flat 2,3 Bath Street,City Centre,Bath,BA1 1SB.
Related Property:Flat 3,3 Bath Street,City Centre,Bath,BA1 1SB.
Related Property:Flat 4,3 Bath Street,City Centre,Bath,BA1 1SB.
Related Property:Nationwide Building Society,3 Bath Street,City Centre,Bath,BA1 1SB.
Reference Proposal Application Received Status
96/00186/FUL .Change of use from bank (Use Class A2) to restaurant (Use Class A3) inlcuding alterations to shopfront and installation of 2 vents to rear elevation16/07/1996Approve
96/00199/LBA .Internal and external alterations to include alterations to shopfront, installation of 2 vents to rear elevation and erection of raised lettering to fascia sign and a hanging sign16/07/1996Approve
96/00196/AR .Display of externally illuminated raised lettering to fascia and a hanging sign16/07/1996Application Refused
97/00581/LBA .External alterations to shopfront, including removal of incised Nat West logo, new double bay window and signage30/06/1997Approve
97/00579/FUL .Alterations to shopfront, including removal of incised Nat west logo and 3no. ATM's and insertion of double bay window01/07/1997Approve
97/00678/LBA .Internal alterations28/07/1997Consent
04/03241/FUL .Proposed disabled ramped access to front of building06/10/2004Application Refused
07/00159/LBA .Internal alterations to form interview rooms17/01/2007Application Refused
07/02052/LBA .External alterations to include the display of one set of individual letters and logo and one projecting sign27/06/2007Application Refused
07/02050/AR .Display of individual letters, logo and projecting sign27/06/2007Advert Consent Not Required
07/03821/LBA .External alterations to include installation of one set of non-illuminated letters and the retention of the existing non-illuminated projecting sign20/12/2007Consent
16/03346/LBA .Change of use from A2 (Financial Services) to A3 (Restaurant)30/06/2016Listed Building Consent Not Required
16/03345/FUL .Change of use from A2 (Financial Services) to A3 (Restaurant)30/06/2016Application Permitted
17/00405/FUL .Internal and external alterations for the refurbishment & improvement of the external access stairway comprising; new wrought iron access gate, new Bath Stone over panel and new Wrought Iron and Zinc Covered Canopy over the entrance to Flats 1-4, replacement of existing front door with Georgian pattern door and insertion of new circular window, replacement Georgian Pattern Sash Windows within existing window openings, replacement Georgian pattern sashes to dormer windows and removal of existing railings and works to existing external walling28/01/2017Application Permitted
17/00406/LBA .Refurbishment & improvement of the external access stairway comprising; new wrought iron access gate, new Bath Stone over panel and new Wrought Iron and Zinc Covered Canopy over the entrance to Flats 1-4, replacement of existing front door with georgian pattern door and insertion of new circular window, replacement Georgian Pattern Sash Windows within existing window openings, replacement Georgian pattern sashes to dormer windows and removal of existing railings and works to existing external walling28/01/2017Consent
17/04255/LBA .Internal and external alterations for the change of use of lower ground floor, ground floor and first floor from Restaurant (use class A3) to Gymnasium (Use Class D2) and Cafe (Use Class A3) with associated works.04/09/2017Pending Consideration
17/04254/FUL .Change of use of lower ground floor, ground floor and first floor from Restaurant (use class A3) to Gymnasium (Use Class D2) and Cafe (Use Class A3) with associated works.04/09/2017Pending Consideration

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Name Address Comment type Comment1 Comment2 Comment3 Date
Bryony Campbell Greenlawn, Homefield Road, Saltford, Bristol, Bath And North East Somerset, BS31 3EG S 13/09/2017: Great idea! Love the idea of getting a healthy meal after my workout, and in the centre of town so I can go straight from work - the vibe suggested also implies I could encourage some of my more timid female friends to join me! 13/09/2017
Ben Thompson Flat 1, 27 Westgate Buildings, BA1 1EB O 04/10/2017: In this location the type of gym the propose doesn't suit the style that the council has worked hard to create in this lovely and unique part of the city. Where are necessities such as refuse going to be stored without an eye sore or foul smell ruining an area just off the main pedestrian thoroughfare.
Also for their "healthy cafe", we would need to know more about those often misleading areas. If this area is large and increases general usage then not only will refuse quantities increase, the need for larger and more frequent deliveries blocking the already confined routes around this area. This location needs a business with smaller impact from consumers.
04/10/2017
Maria Miller 18 Fosseway, Westfield, BA3 4AX, S 27/09/2017: Support 27/09/2017
Polly Grigg 15 Anson Close, Saltford, Bristol, Bath And North East Somerset, BS31 3DY S 14/09/2017: A independent gym in central Bath, that is excellent news. More independent businesses the better for Bath.
14/09/2017
Stephen Crooke Flat 4, 1 Bilbury Lane, City Centre, Bath, BA1 1AZ, R 16/09/2017: Sirs,
I am an immediate neighbour to the applicant's premises, being attached at 90degrees to the rear of 3-4 Bath St in Bilbury Lane.
My main comments/ objections centre around possible excessive motivating music noise from the gym, street scene if tables and chairs are permitted under the Cloisters, and storage and disposal of waste with both it's direct and indirect hygiene as well as aesthetic problems.
A) I notice in the Heritage,Design & Access Statement, Appendix Statement,page 13,
Line 5, that it states"The Collonades were intended to shelter pedestrians" not tables for coffee and cake eaters which force pedestrians to walk in the road!
Furthermore 6.12 & I paraphrase .....must not cause other residents disturbance....let us walk on the pavement please.
6.15 "active ground floor use" pertains to the café and not taking it out into the busy narrow street.
6.24 "the character and appearance of the building will be preserved" yes, but only if there are no tables and chairs outside obstructing the pavement that neighbours need to use, and totally altering the appearance of the Cloisters from an architectural delight to a coffee drinkers enclave!
Application Form ,Item 6, Pedestrian Access and Rights of Way, they have stated "No" change......so I presume no tables and chairs will block pedestrians..? ??!
These points become more salient during Xmas Market. Bath St is full ,both sides with huts, nearly impassable most times, the outer cloisters get used for storage of sale items and other commercial detritus, if you add tables and chairs into the mix it will be impossible for anybody to move freely.
No external tables and chairs please.!!
B) Waste and Recycling Storage and disposal. The Application Form section 7 asks about plans to incorporate areas for storage and disposal of both waste and recycling waste, the applicant states that they have NONE..! Surely it is Council stated practice that the waste must be kept indoors until close of business when it is put out for collection that evening or first thing the next morning. Then the bins are brought back into the building. We have experienced 2 - 3 years ago large waste bins being left out all day under the cloisters at the head of Bilbury Lane with the obvious smells as well as being used as a permanent night time toilet by one and all! Can we please make allowances for the storage of waste within the building, and can the Council include the top of Bilbury Lane on their list of regular morning "hose downs" that happen in Stall st etc.
C)Gym noise. I note that the "spinning room" is planned for the basement, so the leakage of motivational cacophony should be minimal. However, can something be done for the first floor to ensure that the usual loud gym music does not , as per 6.12 ,cause a disturbance to neighbours.
Regards
S Crooke
16/09/2017
Isobel Sheldon Flat 6, 1 Bilbury Lane, City Centre, Bath, BA1 1AZ, O 23/09/2017: I too am an immediate neighbour of the premises in question.
I have some concerns about the planning permission that is sought.
When you consider whether to allow this Building Society to become a Gym and Cafe will you please discuss and find solutions for the following risks:

*What arrangements will be made by the Gym / Cafe for the storage of their rubbish? Bear in mind that this will include food waste so could soon be a public health issue. Rubbish should be sealed properly and enclosed within their property until it is to be collected. It is not good enough to say "there is room at the top of Bilbury Lane for their bins / bags etc." There has to be proper accommodation for rubbish away from the public street and in a self-contained shelter. Rubbish left open to the elements will attract vermin and incontinent revellers and in no time you will have to deal with a risk to public health.

*They may want to put tables and chairs on the pavement. This will make access to our flats hazardous at the best of times, and impossible at the worst of times - i.e. the duration of the Christmas Market.
Furthermore these tables and chairs may gradually sneak round the corner into Bilbury Lane. This would make it both difficult (with many obstacles in the way) and unpleasant (being watched by drinkers and diners) for flat-dwellers to access their homes.

*Can you assure us that there will not be unreasonable noise emanating from this new facility? Sound carries and can become an issue for both physical and mental health.
23/09/2017
Jenn Riando Flat 22, The Quadrant, Barleyfield, BS20 0NA S 27/09/2017: This sounds like an excellent use for such a beautiful building, a lot better than another bank. I cant wait to come and use the facilities. 27/09/2017
Ann Crooke Flat 4, 1 Bilbury Lane, City Centre, Bath, BA1 1AZ, R 21/09/2017: Despite other comments I don't see a need for yet another coffee shop,Bath is full of them.As for another gym- within 100yds there is a Fitness First gym underneath the Odeon cinema plus a new 24hr gym in the old KFC shop in Henry St which is due to open shortly , that is apart from the leisure centre gym 300 yds away. Also if tables and chairs are put outside the cafe it will tarnish the view from the Pump Room along the collanades to the Cross Baths at the end of Bath St - Isn't that a view worth preserving? Furthermore it will be impossible to walk along Bath St during the Christmas market with stall supplies and rubbish piled under the collanades as usual, plus the cafes tables and chairs. ..,,.., Impassable ! Impossible ! Also what will the cafe/gym be doing about their rubbish ? Not in Bilbury Lane please.!
This being said I much prefer a cold food outlet to a burger bar.
But please protect the street scene with no tables and chairs and no rubbish please!
21/09/2017
The Abbey Residents Association 32 Caxton Court, Grove Street, Bathwick, Bath, BA2 6PN, R 22/09/2017: 17/04254/FUL 3-4 BATH STREET
These comments are submitted by and on behalf of The Abbey Residents Association (TARA) which has about 250 members in the historic heart of the city and has been promoting the interests of city centre residents since 2000.

TARA regards this proposal as consistent with council policy and raises no objection to it overall. However, a number of members live immediately adjacent to the premises and in order to protect their amenity we ask that, should consent be granted, conditions be imposed that would require the applicant to provide details to the satisfaction of the Local Planning Authority in the following areas

Control of noise arising from musical performances so that noise levels do not exceed ambient sound levels outside the premises particularly at night.

Storage of waste for disposal that avoids the use of outside pavements and the colonnaded area for skips and other storage media.

Extraction, ventilation and the control of cooking smells.
22/09/2017
Katie Barron Bath , BA2 S 30/09/2017: Would definitely use this. Great location and use of the space 30/09/2017
Mr Rigg Bathwick St., BA2 6NX, O 30/09/2017: Seems a waste of a prime location to be used as a gym.
Limited information to actually gather the final design and how the business will work. Design, layout, bins, noise, vibrations in an old building etc.
Health food cafe needs to be backed up as so many places today sell "health food" but wouldn't actually be supported by a nutritionist.
30/09/2017
Sarah Gardiner 11 Marsh Road, Rode, Frome, BA11 6PE S 27/09/2017: Fantastic to have an alternative gym to the one at the sports centre 27/09/2017
Lauren Taylor 4 Leigh Park Road, BA15 1TE S 27/09/2017: SUPPORT 27/09/2017
Laura Oatley 63A Paxcroft Farm, Hilperton, BA14 6JB S 27/09/2017: This sounds like a great idea. Certainly the sort of facility I'd use when in Bath for business/recreation. 27/09/2017
Sarah Allen 2 Farleigh View, Westwood, BA15 2BP S 27/09/2017: I absolutely support it! It's great for the community, people working in the centre of Bath need this especially as 'The Studio Gym' on Trim Street is no longer what it was and is greatly missed. People working in the area would love this! It will be a social place that promotes health and fitness. 27/09/2017
Esther Perkin 40 The Old Brewery, Rode, BA11 6NU S 27/09/2017: This is a brilliant opportunity for local and surrounding residents. 27/09/2017
Peter Dobie Mulberry Cottage, BS13 3EG S 27/09/2017: Former member of ymca gym, would like another gym to use in the area and somewhere to meet afterwards so cafe seems a good idea as ymca didnt have this avaliable. 27/09/2017
Russell Wakefield Synmead Lodge, Keynsham Road, BS31 2DE S 27/09/2017: A positive movement for the residents of Bath promoting health and well being. 27/09/2017
Gemma Mustart 6 Rodway Close, Twobridge, BA14 7UQ S 27/09/2017: I think this gym/restaurant is a brilliant idea, It’s not just a gym but a restaurant and there isn’t any gyms quite like it. it will be a refreshing change to have this gym in Bath and have the edginess to attract all kinds of young and old to make it a fun way to exercise and socialise. The girls have some fantastic ideas to make this business a very successful one, they have my full support and I will be happy to travel to come to this gym. 27/09/2017
Nick Bernal 3 Westdale Gardens, BA15 1TS S 28/09/2017: I believe the combination of a cafe and a gym is a great idea and will draw in many people 28/09/2017
Jessica Till 2 South Lea Road, Lower Weston, Bath, Bath And North East Somerset, BA1 3RN O 28/09/2017: There are already many large gyms in Bath... there is Fitness First, Good gym, the new 24 hour gym opening where was previously KFC, crossfit, and 3.5 million pounds being spent on the university. It would be nicer to fill that space with something niche and unique which is what Bath was previously known for. Now the city is just filled with duplicates of chain coffee houses and high street shops and has lost its originality, quirkiness and charm. 28/09/2017
Jenby Youngs Bibstone House, Bibstone, Wotton Under Edge, GL12 8AD, S 28/09/2017: Fantastic idea - very much approve 28/09/2017
Samantha Ricketts Garden Flat , 37 Park Street, Lansdown, Bath, Bath And North East Somerset, BA1 2TD O 28/09/2017: There are already a number of large gyms with very similar offerings in and around Bath city centre. There doesn't seem to be any real difference in this proposal and I don't see where the demand is for yet another cafe providing cold meats and salads when there are already a number in Bath dping exactly that. 28/09/2017
Bronwen Campbell Greenlawn, Homefield Road, Saltford, Bristol, Bath And North East Somerset, BS31 3EG S 24/09/2017: How exciting! I look forward to de-stressing in my lunch hour. Bath has been lacking an outlet for healthy meals, too many fast food outlets in my opinion and coffee shops selling sweet cakes! 24/09/2017
Dawn Hutchings 3 Coldharbour Road, BS6 7JS S 02/10/2017: As a regular work commuter to Bath, this would be an ideal use of the building. 02/10/2017
Mr Collins 24 Charlotte Street, City Centre, Bath, Bath And North East Somerset, BA1 2NE O 03/10/2017: I didn't actually get much information from application in terms of the design of the gym and full operation plans so its unclear what they will actually be doing? What is a boutique fat burn gym?

As mentioned by others already there is no rubbish collection or storage point and street furniture would not look the part in this spot.

The cafe will be serving food that is already done by many other cafe's and restaurants in the city centre and doesn't offer anything new or original. The "healthy" meals are pre cooked meats and salads that you could buy from Pret round the corner or the many other cafe's in and around the Abby.

There are plenty of other gym options in town with Better just having finished a huge Referb and offers many great facilities and Any time fitness is opening just round the corner. Is there really any need for another large gym?

This also seems like a rather large and expensive project to undertake. With lots of competition in the area from large corporate gyms and local facilities that are well established, If this gym only lasts a few years you have a listed building that has had a huge amount of internal cosmetic changes that would need to be altered in order to be re let down the line. I would expect this property to be a prime location for a large retail company that have the finances to support themselves there for a long term.
03/10/2017