Planning Applications Reference:18/03527/LBA

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Type of Application:Listed Building Consent (Alts/exts)
Status:Pending Consideration
Address of Proposal:Octagon Hall, 25 Milsom Place, City Centre, Bath, BA1 1BZ
Proposal:Internal and external alterations to refurbish Octagon Chapel and Vaults for A3/A4 use.
Planning Portal Reference Number:PP-07134380
Applicant Name:New World Trading Company
Agent Name:P4 Planning Limited
Agent Address:111 Piccadily, Manchester, M1 2HY
Case Officer Name:Helen Ellison
Date Application Received:08/08/2018
Date Application Validated:08/08/2018
Standard Consultations sent on:10/08/2018
Last advertised on:16/08/2018
Latest Site Notice posted on:17/08/2018
Expiry Date for Consultation :08/09/2018
Target Decision Date03/10/2018


ConstraintsAgric Land Class 3b,4,5, Article 4 Bath Demolition Wall, Article 4 HMO, Article 4 Reg 7: Estate Agent, Conservation Area, Listed Building, MOD Safeguarded Areas, Policy B2 Central Area Strategic Policy, Policy B4 WHS - Boundary, Policy B4 WHS - Indicative Extent, Policy CP12 Bath City Centre Boundary, Policy CP9 Affordable Housing Zones, Policy CR3 Primary Shopping Areas, Policy CR3 Primary Shopping Frontages, Policy NE1 Green Infrastructure Network, River Avon and Kennet & Avon Canal, SSSI - Impact Risk Zones
Related Property:26 Milsom Place,City Centre,Bath,BA1 1BZ.
Related Property:Octagon Hall,25 Milsom Place,City Centre,Bath,BA1 1BZ.
Related Property:Octagon Vaults,28 Milsom Place,City Centre,Bath,BA1 1BZ.
Reference Proposal Application Received Status
13/04747/FUL .Use of the building for A1 retail and/or A3 restaurant and for additional use of designated areas of the building for B1a office and/or C1 hotel.01/11/2013Application Withdrawn
14/01392/FUL .Use of levels 02 - 05 of the building for A1 retail and/or A3 restaurant use (Resubmission).24/03/2014Application Permitted
15/00429/LBA .Internal and external alterations to refurbish and refit The Octagon Chapel as a Burger Lobster restaurant.30/01/2015Consent
15/02158/AR .Display of 2no suspended internally illuminated metal signs, 2 no hanging sign, 1no metal sign11/05/2015Consent
15/02590/COND .Discharge of condition 3 attached to 15/00429/LBA (Internal and external alterations to refurbish and refit The Octagon Chapel as a Burger Lobster restaurant).05/06/2015Condition Discharged
15/04153/COND .Discharge of conditions 3, 5  6 of application 15/00429/LBA (Internal and external alterations to refurbish and refit The Octagon Chapel as a Burger Lobster restaurant.)14/09/2015Condition Discharged
18/01947/FUL .Use of the full unit as a restaurant and bar (use classes A3 and A4) and variation to former hours of operation02/05/2018Application Permitted
18/03527/LBA .Internal and external alterations to refurbish Octagon Chapel and Vaults for A3/A4 use.08/08/2018Pending Consideration
18/03526/AR .Display of 3 No. internally illuminated-hanging signs, 2 No. Illuminated projection signs, 3 No. illuminated menu signs, 1 No. non-illuminated fascia sign, 1 No. non-illuminated door plaque, 1 No. non-illuminated glazing manifestation.08/08/2018Pending Consideration

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Name Address Comment type Comment1 Comment2 Comment3 Date
Jim Warren Bath Heritage Watchdog Not Given O Documents Tab 12/08/2018
Bath Preservation Trust Bath Preservation Trust , 1 Royal Crescent, City Centre, Bath, Bath And North East Somerset, BA1 2LR O 06/09/2018: Object: whilst acknowledging the challenges in advertising this business location, and the desire for this building to be brought back into active use, we are concerned regarding some aspects of the proposals, in particular the entrance in Milsom Street. The signage and paraphernalia on Milsom Street is in our view excessive. In particular the hanging sign is unacceptable and should be removed from the application. Milsom Street is relatively clear of hanging signs and this ensures this special historic street remains uncluttered and the special architectural interest of the group assets can be appreciated (for more information please our guidance paper on Hanging Signs in Milsom Street). In addition the timber trough planter is unacceptable as it intrudes upon and obscures the special architectural composition of the fa├žade (the decorative dentilled cornice) and it should be removed from the application.
The obscuring of the columns with the brass and steel framework is also unacceptable. A signage solution should be devised that does not intrude upon and harm the doorway composition. This could perhaps be achieved by the Botanist sign being placed within the fanlight area. The addition of pots and urns also clutters both the attractive columned doorway and the pavement and again distracts from the special interest of the building. We would recommend these are removed. In fact these pots would probably be better placed in the recessed doorway of Green Street.
We are a little uncomfortable with the overtly decorative nature of the Victorian style gates on Green Street and feel it jars somewhat with the character of this street, however we recognise that this is part of the Botanist brand and would leave this element to the judgement of the case officer. Given the eclectic nature of signage in this street, we would not object to a hanging sign in this location.
The proposed scheme would neither preserve nor enhance the special interest of the listed building and the setting of multiple listed buildings. Therefore the proposals relating to the signage on Milsom Street (Botanist door sign, trough and hanging sign) would be contrary to the Planning (Listed Buildings and Conservation Areas Act) 1990, Section 16 (Conserving and enhancing the historic environment) of the National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF), policies; B1, B4, B2, and CP6 of the B&NES Core Strategy and policies CP6, HE1, D9, B4 of the Placemaking Plan. We would therefore recommend that the application is amended or refused.
Simon Potter The Stonehouse, 7A Broad Street, City Centre, Bath, BA1 5LJ, R 06/09/2018: Pleased there is interest from an interesting company for a wonderful building.
However, concerns as follows from an immediate nextdoor neighbor on the north side, inside Milsom Place.
Rubbish collection and bottles - confused how the planning for the location of this was changed without any consolation from green street to inside Milsom Place in the last development - this led to issues of emptying bottles late at night or early morning.
External speakers and music - I strongly object to this as it was never monitored is left on late at night and echos around the courtyard - this has been the case with both B&L and Cau on the opposite side.

The running of extraction fans that are intrusive and can often be left on overnight. The shut off in Milsom Place has been midnight and before - I would strongly object if this did not continue to be the case.

Entrance to Milsom Place is gated beyond midnight - and the licensing hours should remain the same as before with the exits into Milsom Place being fire exits beyond midnight. Any unsocial behaviour in this area can led any noise issue being exacerbated by the enclosed courtyard. It could also be very dangerous as this area is very isolated at night.

I am also concerned that licenicing notices have not been evident - planning prominently located on East side of Milsom Place.

As an immediate residential property- I would politely request a meeting with a representative of Botanical to discuss these concerns.
Kind regards